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Inserito il - 27/05/2008 : 22:28:17  Mostra Profilo Invia a Andreas un Messaggio Privato  Rispondi Quotando
Between 1594 and 1600, Domenico Fontana dug an underground channel through Pompeii which remained buried since 79 AD under a layer of pumice and ash 19 to 23 feet deep until it was rediscovered by the architect.

It is the official version.

The wonder is that the channel goes through the town under its zero-level, has a couple of shafts which do not stick up to the sky now like towers, neither damaging the buildings nor streets of Pompeii.

It looks like Domenico Fontana has built his channel through the "living" town very carefully.
Does it mean that probably Pompeii wasn't buried completely after the legendary eruption of Mount Vesuvius in AD 79?
Some ancient maps and a couple of written mediaeval evidences also confirms such a theory.

My supposition is that Pompeii was finally buried only after the eruption of mount Vesuvius in December 1631 and not earlier.

An Epitaphic from 1635 in Torre del Greco describes Pompeii and Herculaneum as well as Retina and Portici
as victims of the Vesuvius eruption in 1631. Almost nobody knows about this epitaphic today. I guess you don't. Do you?

(www.torreomnia.com) Sulla Strada Regia delle Calabrie, ora Via Nazionale, verso Torre Annunziata, al Km.15, addossato alla facciata della Villa Faraone Mennella, si vede ancora oggi il cosidetto Epitaffio



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VIII ET LX POST ANNO XVII CALEND (AS) IANUARII
PHILIPPO IV REGE
FUMO, FLAMMIS, BOATU
CONCUSSO CINERE ERUPTIOHE
HORRIFICUS, FERUS SI UNQUAM VESUVIUS
NEC NOMEN NEC FASCES TANTI VIRI EXTIMUIT QUIPPE, EXARDESCENTE CAVIS SPECUBUS IGNE, IGNITUS, FURENS, IRRUGIENS,
EXITUM ELUCTANS. COERCITUS AER, IACULATUS TRANS HELLESPONTUMDISIECTO VIOLENTER MONTIS CULMINE,
IMMANI ERUPIT HIATU POSTRIDIE,
CINEREM
PONE TRAHENS AD EXPLENDAM VICEM PELAGUS IMMITE PELAGUS
FLUVIOS SULPHUREOS FLAMMATUM BITUMEN,
FOETAS ALUMINE CAUTES,
INFORME CUIUSQUE METALLI RUDUS,
MIXTUM AQUARUM VOIURINIBUS IGNEM
FEBRVEM (QUE) UNDANTE FUMO CINEREM
SESEQ (UE) FUNESTAMQ (UE) COLLLUVIEM
IUGO MONTIS EXONERANS
POMPEIOS HERCULANEUM OCTAVIANUM, PERSTRICTIS RE§¡TINA ET PORTICU,
SILVASQ (UE), VILLASQ (UE), (UE)
MOMENTO STRAVIT, USSIT, DIRUIT
LUCTUOSAM PRAEA SE PRAEDAM AGENS
VASTUMQ (UE) TRIUNPHUM.
PERIERAT HOC QUOQ (UE) MARMOR ALTE SEPQLUM CONSULTISSIMI NO MONUMENTUM PROREGIS.
NE PEREAT
EMMAHUEZL FONSECA ET SUNICA COM (ES),
MONT IS RE (GIS) PROR (EX),
QUA ANIMI MAGNITUDINE PUBLICAE CALAMITATI EA PRIVATAE CONSULUIT
EXTRACTUM FUNDITUS GENTIS SUI LAPIDEM.
COELO RESTITUIT, VIAM RESTAURAVIT,
FUMANTE ADHUC ET INDIGNANTE VESEVO.
AN (NO) SAL (UTIS) MDCXXXV,
PRAEFECTO VIARUM
ANTONIO SUARES MESSIA MARCHI (ONE) VICI.









It means, that Fontana could built his channel at the end of 16th century through the living city of Pompeii. But let's see some additional backgrounds of my theory:

Sar¨¤ recuperato il canale Conte Sarno la cui costruzione fece scoprire Pompei nel 1595

L'opera, all'epoca, realizzata su progetto dell'architetto Domenico Fontana, trasportava, dalla foce del fiume Sarno, l'acqua necessaria a fornire l'energia per far funzionare i molini di Torre Annunziata. Il suo recupero servir¨¤ a salvare gli scavi dalle acque meteoriche che minacciano le fondamenta delle ville di Diomede e dei Misteri.

Il progetto di recupero ¨¨ stato presentato questa mattina nel salone della Provincia di Napoli, in una conferenza che ha visto gli interventi del presidente dell'Ente, Amato Lamberti, di Luca Stamati, assessore all'Ambiente, e dei responsabili dell'area archeologica e dell'Azienda di promozione turistica pompeiana.

I lavori, il cui costo sarebbe pari a un milione di euro, secondo il piano proposto dovrebbero durare appena qualche mese. Per¨°, una volta consegnati, darebbero l'opportunit¨¤ di attrezzare un nuovo percorso turistico culturale. Il canale, quando fu realizzato, attraversava (ma senza saperlo) la citt¨¤ di Pompei da Est, entrando sotto Porta Sarno, sino alla strada dei Sepolcri, nell'area occidentale. Il suo percorso nella citt¨¤ vecchia toccava il tempio di Iside, quello di Eumachia, passava sotto il Foro e il Tempio di Apollo. Lungo il Tragitto del canale vi sono numerosi pozzi o castelli d'osservazione che oltre a fornire luce e aria davano la possibilit¨¤ di una periodica pulizia. Secondo la Provincia, il piano di ripristino del percorso permetter¨¤ anche la riqualificazione del comprensorio torrese stabiese.

Fonte: Culturalweb.it

del 23 gennaio 2004


The story of the Fontana's channel:
http://www.senato.it/documenti/repository/commissioni/sarno/22-bis-n2.pdf


The channel is about 2 km long and has several shafts (wells) for maintaning and purposes of air conditioning.

A very important one is close to the Temple of Isis, because we can see on the old pictures taken by Piranesi and others how it looks after the excavations in 18th century and compare with what remains today.

" Levandosi il terreno nel tempio d'Iside, nel sito che restava scoperto gia da qualche tempo, che avrebbe potuto credersi il labbro di un pozzo, se non si fosse trovato coperto con il tetto, essendosene fatto levare il rapillo, si e trovato nel fondo una quantita di frutti bruciati. Ma non si e potuto arrivare al piano antico, che forse non restera molto disotto, perche passando accosto a questo sito il canale che conduche l'acqua alla Polveriera, vi trapelata tant'acqua, che non si e potuto cavare dippiu. "

Alcubierre, R., et al., Pompeianarum Antiquitatum Historia 1:

My bad translation....:

" While removing soil from the Temple of Isis at a place that remained open for a while and which could have been mistaken for a pothole if it were not covered with its top, after removal of the lapilli, there were some burnt fruits found underneath; but it could not be at the ancient level because it did not get too deep due to an underlying canal that conducted water to the powder factory which had leaked so much water that it was difficult to dig any deeper."

Alcubierre thought, it is "a special recycling well for burnt fruits" used for religious purposes. However, it is one of Fontana's wells which belongs to his channel. As you can see on the old pictures, the pothole by the Temple of Isis has been destroyed meanwhile as well as all of the potholes of the Fontana's channel in Pompeii. While visiting Pompeii, I went along the whole channel's route and saw everything with my own eyes.

It looks like somebody is intended to eliminate the evidences of the fact that Fontana has made his channel with wells working at the open air in the living city. There is no other explanations for Fontana's wonder at this stage from a technological point of view that the channel goes through the town under its zero-level, has a couple of shafts which do not stick up to the sky now like towers, neither damaging the buildings nor streets of Pompeii.

There are some other suspicions to the official version of 79 AD.

Just for example:

Entering in the House of Ephebe , Regio I on the lararium on the right it is represented a sacrifice¡¯s scene: the Genius that makes the sacrifice is represented in the action of making an unusual offer, a fruit of pineapple . In a painting preserved at the National Archaeological Museum in Napoles are represented some sprigs with leaves and fruits of mango . It is necessary to remember that mango is aboriginal of southern Asia, while pineapple is aboriginal of tropical America.


There is no one coin from Pompeii in the public exposition at the National Archaeological Museum in Naples!! There should be thousands of them...
It is not only me, who is wondering about:

"Cathy King's article, 'Quandrantes from the River Tiber' in NC, 1975, is the best study on the topic so far (270 + 1128 coins) but it was preceded by the 55 quadrantes found in the Liri River in 'Roman Coins from the River Liri' by B. W. Frier and A. Parker, in NC 1970, and in part II of the article by W. Metcalf in NC 1974.

"The largest find of quadrantes (including semises) from an archaeological site was the 1237 coins found in Pompeii in 1939. They were found in the cash box of a restaurant owned by Vestutius Placidus. (See 'Circolazione Monetale--etc. --- a Pompei' in 'Pompeiana' by Laura Breglia, page 59.) These are in the National Archaeological Museum in Naples and have never been cataloged. I asked two touring colleagues at two differtent dates to visit this museum and ask the curator of coins about a listing of the types but all they got was an Italian 'shrug'. I think they are lost. The second largest hoard of 586 quadrantes was also found in Pompeii in 1822, see 'Pompeianorum Antiquatum Historia' by G. Fiorelli, Vol. III, page 32,. It was found in the entrance to the macellum in a box with gold rings. This find was also never catalogued so types and emperors are unknown. Damn those archaeologists, they couldn't even tell a semis from a quadrans.

"I {Marvin] wrote an overview article about semis and quadrans, as a "Numismatic Mystery", with speculations as to their possible function in Roman life, published in the SAN Journal, April 1993. pages 86-93. My theories are not proven but also not contested.

"The finds in Pompeii are mentioned briefly in my article, 'The Coins of Pompeii' in The Celator, Jan. 2003."
http://esty.ancients.info/catalogs/quadrans.html

Thanks for your professional comments in advance!

Andreas



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Inserito il - 28/06/2008 : 23:33:48  Mostra Profilo Invia a Andreas un Messaggio Privato  Rispondi Quotando
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Inserito il - 25/01/2010 : 23:53:20  Mostra Profilo Invia a Andreas un Messaggio Privato  Rispondi Quotando
Features of the Domenico Fontana’s Water Conduit (the Canal of Count Sarno) and the Date of Pompeii Destruction

Scientific Study, 2009, 14 Pages
Author: Dipl. - Ing. (TU) Andreas Tschurilow
Subject: History - Theory

Abstract

It is considered that Pompeii was destroyed in the first century and, being buried under a layer of volcanic ash and pumice-stone, it remained forgotten for more than 1500 years until in 1592 the architect Domenico Fontana, during the construction of a canal to bring water to Torre Annunziata, found in an underground passageway several inscriptions on marble plates indicating the location of an ancient city. In this paper we present arguments in favor of another hypothesis: that Pompeii came to the end of its existence after the completion of the canal which was constructed in ruined city, however, still not fully covered by the volcanic ashes. The paper brings up for discussion some results of the author’s study partially popularized on the Internet and presents his opinion that the famous Pompeii, being excavated by the archeologists in the last 200 years, in fact finally disappeared off the face of the earth as a result of the eruption of Vesuvius in 1631.

ISBN (E-book): 978-3-640-51307-9
ISBN (Book): 978-3-640-51227-0

http://www.grin.com/e-book/140558/features-of-the-domenico-fontana-s-water-conduit-the-canal-of-count-sarno
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